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October 15, 2008

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Smoke

Glad to see you back. Your posts are consistently thought provoking and provide material thats facilitates over-due re-calibration of my ideological compass .. Inherheritance taxes or the absence of same seems to be a particular bugbear of yours. Personally I don't agree with them insofar as I'd like my dependents (partner and young child) to be cared for in the event of my untimely death. The argument that any inheritance represents an unearned gain doesn't carry weight with me. I've earned the wealth, and have already paid taxes on it. Why should the state tax my labour twice? How is that fair?

James

Forgive me for offering my own answer even though I wasn't asked, Smoke:

1) all sorts of stuff gets taxed twice (e.g. your wage gets taxed under income tax and then again by VAT when you spend it) - I'm not sure one can design a tax system based on the principle that money should only ever be taxed once as it sloshes around the economy in different guises.

2)"I've earned the wealth..." - unless you mean "earn" as synonomous with "recieved" (as opposed to being synonomous with "merit" or "deserve"), this claim needs to be defended. Many market incomes (think the very high and the very low) would appear not to be especially merited.

3)"Why should the state tax my labour twice?" Your dead and gone at this stage, so really you can't be taxed at all. To be fair, it might make more sense if beneficiaries of inheritence were taxed rather than the estate being taxed directly - this would mean that the rate would depend not on the size of the estate but rather on the position of the recipients.

Michael Taft

Smoke, thanks for your kind comments and I fully take on board your comments regarding inheritance tax. Let me state at the outset that I have been a beneficiary of a small inheritance, one that was helpful for me at the time. So I am in full agreement with the legitimacy of all parents, partners and spouses to help out their family. The state shouldn't be penalising that. But let me put forward a few points to see if we can find some common ground on this question.

First, we have little data on inheritances, for the reason that most inheritances are disregarded for tax purposes (e.g. they fall below the tax exemption thresholds). I asked a Finance Department official if they know how much gross inheritances are transmitted per year and all she could do for me is a back-of-the-envelope. The figure was €13 billion per year. Now if this figure is broadly correct that would mean the effective tax rate on inheritances is less than 2.5%. Were, through reforms, that effective tax rate was brought up to 10% (hardly onerous), that would mean an extra €1 billion in tax revenue. That's a fair bit of money to raising the living standards for all people today.

Second, spouses are exempt from all inheritances, as they should be. We should be arguing that partners should be exempt as well (currently, they are not).

Currently, a son or daughter may receive an inheritance worth €521,000 before paying tax. So for a son/daughter receiving €800,000, their tax will represent less than 7% - again, not onerous. There are a number of valid exemptions from even this (e.g. for a child who is incapacitated or in need of medical care).

However, the real issue is not the transfer of small wealth within low and middle income families. The fact is that accountants can drive huge holes through the tax code to create safe shelters for outrageous amounts of money - and that is the issue that is paramout for me. I accept that I didn't make that distinction clear. But the super wealthy - the top 5% - own 40% of all wealth in society. According to the Bank of Ireland, this top 5% owns over €320 billion. That, and the wealth of higher income groups, should be the target of a progressive tax regime.

One financial advisor told me that if anyone pays inheritance tax, they should fire their accountant. It's not the transfer of relatively small amounts of wealth (cash, property, etc.) that we should be concerned with but rather, the wealth that a handful of people are able to shelter from tax.

In that respect, I hope that I've come some way towards meeting your valid objections. In future, I'll be sure to make this distinction.

Smoke

Thanks for the response. I'm all for eliminating tax shelters and loop-holes. I believe it's proper that the state should tax economic activity (given that it's providing some of the resources that allow that activity to happen in the first place).

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