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May 25, 2009

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CMK

Michael, the guy who penned the letter Quinn in citing was torn to shreds on boards.ie - and his responses to the critiques of his position indicated, to me at least, that he possesses a very tenuous grip on reality. That Fergal Quinn takes the letter at face value and goes on to predicate an argument on it confirms to me, yet again, that success in business is no qualification for economic or policy analysis. Indeed, I think business should be seen and not heard or read.

Regarding Sarah Carey. I pushed her on the Irish Times blog about the critique you and the Irish Left Review did on her statement re: 'the most generous' in the EU. She admitted she was wrong and stated, from memory: "let's just say they're not the most generous, it was my error". I further pressed her to confirm that she was going to write a column detailing the extent of her error.

Strangely, she didn't respond to that comment.

Keep up the good work.

Yvonne

Misled, or with an entirely different agenda? It is becoming very disturbing how much of our newspapers are now constituted by these opinion pieces

Fergal

Heard the one about the multi-millionaire Irish Senator who spent part of his free time criticising...parasites!

Donagh

RTE Radio's The Business dealt with this issue too on the 17th of May. After reading out an anecdote from the HR manager from a security firm about how one employee gave up his new job as a security man to go back on the dole they did a text poll which asked: "should the government reduce the dole" - the implication being to incentivize work. The response from 76% of their listeners was yes.

In the following one on the 24th of May John Murray mentions the reaction, but in doing so says this: "Some listeners took exception to the suggestion that the incentive to work was being reduced because of too generous social welfare payments". He then goes on to give a 'case study' of someone on the dole and compares it what they would likely earn on the minimum wage. Incidentally, about three weeks back Fergal Quinn had been on calling for the minimum wage to be reduced.

The Business podcast 17th of May (starts at 11.04).
http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2009/pc/pod-v-17052009-23m27s-thebusinesspartone.mp3

The Business Podacast 24th of May (starts at 4.00)
http://www.rte.ie/podcasts/2009/pc/pod-v-24052009-19m38s-thebusiness.mp3

t g macamhloaibh

Have come to hugely enjoy reading your posts and analysis. Keep up the good work.

My wee tidbit: Capitalists are determined to reintroduce a rigid class system into this country under the guise of the knowledge economy. Worker is to be set against worker; against migrant labour; against the unemployed - public against private. Every day our govt colludes with buiness to find more ways to enforce consumption so that our wages must be spent and our opportunities diminished.

Worker's are not measured by their productive capacity anymore but have been relegated to mere consumption animals. Consumption animals that enrich the wealthy are good. Consumption animals who do not are bad.

Nothing, it seems, will turn back the tide. We must become so devided, so set against ourselves and so alienated until the day arrives when we cannot but recognise our common descent into shallow animal survival.

I've become truely revolutionary as a personal tactic. I do not need to pick up a pike or pitchfork. I merely have to stop spending and start saving. Every Euro I take out of the economy increases my family's welfare and decreases the welfare of the wealthy. I try and do as much business with small grocers and buy goods that are manufactured locally. I spend more per item but spend less on overall consumption. Every utility bill is scrutinised and lowered in usage. Rubbish recylced and composted, etc.

However, all this is ultimately futile. A Capitlaist's answer to Capitalism's short comings is more free market doctrinaire Capitalism. I just wonder how low we collectively have to go before common sense prevails. I'm thinking the very bottom - until such time as the bling of tv ownership and a few more baubbles can't mask the systemic problems of capital accumulation for the sake of capital accumulation.

Tomaltach

tg,
You are right about the obsession with consumption, or the consumption driven economy. Partly we require a change in values. But it might also be beffer if we could snatch some more resources by way of tax and spend it wisely on collectivelty agreed long term projects.

But your idea that consumption is a money pump straight from you into the funds of some cruel, greedy capitalist is a bit wide of the mark. Do privately owned firms not pay wages and taxes? The singular benificary is not simply the owner. Yes we could argue about levels of said wages or taxes. But the picture is a tad more complicated than you would allow. You mention preferring your local grocer. Is she not a capitalist as well?

Michael Taft

Thanks CMK and Donagh - will look up both sites, which I neglected to review before writing the piece.

Fergal, anyone we know?

t g macamhloaibh, thanks for the comment. I take your point and understand the frustration; there is a sense of a treadmill about consumption, though Tomaltach is right when he suggests the picture is moe complicated. There is much analysis done on sustainable (and unsustainable) consumption patterns but, as yet, there is little in the way of concrete policy, never mind a new narrative (at least, not in Ireland). There are particular policies here and there. What we need to do is connect the dots in a more coherent picture. Interestingly, John Barry over at progressive-economy.ie has been addressing some of these issues in a creative blend of left-green analysis. He has suggested a need for a 'Green Whitaker'. Now that's something worth working on: http://www.progressive-economy.ie/2009/05/post-celtic-tiger-errata.html

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