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June 30, 2009

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t g macamhloaibh

Nice post with some good figures and anlysis but. . .

More than ever history is the bastard child of knowledge. Nowhere has this bastard child been more abused than in Ireland. Selective amnesia by the MSM is policy. We have governments who never lie but who can't utter any truth - about anything. Public policy carried out through media leaks and soundbite. Absolutely awful statistical information and penalties for access to public info.

There should be someone coming along shortly to refute any post, or its points, based upon historical interpretation.

If memory serves me correctly during the late 80's and early 90's, Ireland had the IMF in town on a consultative basis, and we also received a very large lump sum payment from the EU. There was a type of Keynsian infrasture stimulus derived from the lump sum.

What is more interesting dese days is recent history. I've been following the economic crises since it began in 2007. From my perspective, the US, UK and Ireland have been in recessionary mode since late 2007 or early 2008 at the very latest. Yet most economies didn't declare themselves in recession* until the middle of 2008 or later. Almost upon announcement of recession, there was talk of recovery. Even now the UK is talking about growth in the third quarter of 2009!

If unfolding history is so easy to manipulate through the MSM, what chance of meaningful discussion about ancient history in 1980? Yet, we must try anyway - if only to leave a record that some saw history unfolding differently.

*I don't buy the 2 consecutive quarters of negative growth as a measure of recession, and this view is increasingly held by many practical economists. The gross distortion of data sets through biased statistical analysis by governmental departments coupled with the Wizard of Oz-Dorothy complex (just believe and it will be true) makes an utter mockery of such outdated analytical methods. I'm always reminded of Michigan's Governor who declared last year that her state, home of the auto industry, had been in recession for over a decade and nobody gives a damn.

Myles

"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man…" Zen Buddhist saying.

Carrigaline

Michael,

I don't think that anyone disagrees that simply hacking public sector expenditure is the solution. However, what I don't see is how we will pay for simply maintaining existing expenditure.

Today, it was announced that we face a €14.7 billion deficit for the year. While we can support this for a year or two, it is not a long-term, or even a medium-term solution.

The boom time revenue of 2005-2007 is not coming back (massive retail/construction based revenue mostly). With that in mind, we either need taxation increase, or cuts in government spending.

If not cuts in the public sector; where's the revenue going to come, Michael?

t g macamhloaibh

Carrigaline,

Haven't you been paying attention for the last 10 yrs?

You build more houses :-)

Michael Taft

Carrigaline, thanks for the commnet. The problem that I see is that - within the paramters laid down by the orthodoxy - there is little chance of reducing the deficit or stemming the growth in the growing debt burden. These parameters claim the answer lies somewhere between cutting public expenditure and increasing general taxes. There may be debates over the mix, where the cuts should take place, etc. But as the ESRI has shown - and the subect of my previous post (Dates with the Devil) - such measures will do little to reduce the borrowing requirement because the measures themselves drive down growth and consumption while increasing unemployment. We are running to stand in place.

We have to change the parameters. What is, currently, the driving force behind the increasing deficit and, so, the borrowing requirement? Unemployment and falling domestic demand. This means less tax revenue, more government expenditure (e.g. social welfare costs) and reduced activity. We have to address that. This means getting people back to work via a stimulus investment programme.

Where do we get the money for that? Our one - admittedly diminishing strength (owing to the Government's deflationary budget policies - taxing and cutting) - strength is our low debt status. Essentially, we could borrow, according to the EU Commission, over €16 billion this year and next above and beyond the current Government's target, and still be below the Eurozone average. That €16 billion could begin to finance the necessary investment into physical and social infrasture - an upgrading that is absolutely essential to restore our competitivness. And it will create thousands of jobs. This borrowing would be complemented by increased taxes not just on high incomes but on wealth (through a captial asset tax), reform of public expenditure (reducing, reforming and abolishing tax expenditures) and the issuing of domestic Economic Recovery Bonds, accessible to households and not just financial institutions.

Will this work? It's a gamble. But this is similar to what almost all other industrial countries are doing. One thing's for sure: we are in a slow-motion car crash and the doors are locked. We need something to pry us out before we get too badly injured.

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