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April 14, 2011

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michael burke

Michael, very useful post.

Capital here also gets to retain large part of value created by labour via the medium of low taxes.

This economy has the highest post-tax return on capital of the advanced economies, behind only Greece.

This is a source of economic weakness, not strength.

B Collins

Same here. Am guessing you've read about the Wisconsin teachers' strike.

And this great Facebook repost that's making the rounds:

"Remember when teachers, public employees, Planned Parenthood, NPR and PBS crashed the stock market, wiped out half of our 401Ks, took trillions in TARP money, spilled oil in the Gulf of Mexico, gave themselves billions in bonuses, and paid no taxes? Yeah, me neither. Duly copied, duly pasted."

Sounds like class war to me.

Continue to follow Notes on the Front with great interest.

--BC

Daniel Dunne

Ever was it so Michael, ever was it so.

But I would disagree a bit with your arguments about the deficit and the public sector.

The problem is that the size of the public sector spend depends on the willingness of taxpayers to think socially.

Ireland is already an unsympathetic culture where thinking socially about shared problems seems to be an alien concept, one reason why the property bubble was cheered on by voters, and why there were few social dividends of the Celtic tiger beyond motorways.

The case for social goods is undermined by (perceived) inefficiency, unaccountability and (sometimes) unjustifiable salaries in some bits of the public sector.

As you know I'm sympathetic to your perspective, but I think where the left falls down all the time is in what you once referred to as "bringing the people with you".

Solidarity requires more than sectoral self interest, a big cultural shift if required

On the economic level, the use of the "public payroll" as a kind of Keynesian pump-prime is not going to create much stimulus in an small open economy like ours. And the primary structural deficit (separate to the banking blackhole), is still real - no matter how much we might dislike Colm McCarthy.

Even the most well-meaning government made up of gramsci-ist class warriors would have very very difficult choices to make.

The real mess is the EU. We've had market integration without either fiscal or cultural/identity integration, while at the same time removing many of the state mechanisms which once would have made the stimulus thing an option. And that was before we gave up our budgetary sovereignty through the guarantee etc.

The left needs to chose its battles carefully. We need a broad coalition to defend certain floors of decency and key social goods. The work of building a culture that sustains a more equal society is long term, that's for sure. The restoration of the 8.65 minimum wage, mandated clearly by the electorate is a small mercy, but it's something.

As regards the private sector, I think it's important to keep publicizing the facts about the profits being made, as you do. And to address spurious justifications of exploitation made by the likes of IBEC SFA and that other crowd...Keep it up.

Michael Taft

Daniel - thanks for that thoughtful comment. Let me address some of the issues you raise. First, you are correct re: thinking socially; or resolving social problems collectively rather than as individuals/consumers. One thinks of health and pensions - we are urged/forced to purchase these on the private market and for those without income/savings - well there's always poverty-line safety nets. Quite unsatisfactory.

The Left/trade union movement has to share in the blame for this development. We ignored the potential of the 'social wage' (collective consumption of goods and services) and focused on nominal wages, take-home pay, keeping minimum wage earners out of the tax net. All those 'gains' are gone as they were built on flawed pro-cyclical policies.

I'd like to stress that I don't believe we can spend our way out of the crisis - if that spending is taken to be expenditure on public services. Actually, this was tried under FF in Jack Lynch's days (vulgar Keynesianism it was called). However, we can invest our way back to growth and fiscal stability. And investing in public services in tandem with building collective consumption strategies is part of that strategy.

Take education, for instance. It is acknowledged - even by economists hostile to 'stimulus' - that education is a 'good investment'. I would start at the bottom so to speak - with pre-primary education, public child care options with a strong education stream, wrap-around primary schools and adult literacy.

This is an investment that will pay off big-time (albeit, over a long-time span than commercial investments). And in the process it will employ thousands. This is win-win.

Similarly with primary healthcare - free access (to GP, prescription medicines, all out-patient care): this will pay off in better health outcomes, lower loss-of-work, reduced costs at third-level, etc. I couldn't pick a better policy than FF's own primary health strategy published in 2001.

So it is about investment and restructuring - around the concept of collective consumption. But this has to be part of a broader expansion strategy re: infrastructural, economic and enterprise investment. In this sense, the divide between the public and private melts away.

Therefore, investment and collective consumption should go beyond floors of decency (but if that's all that we can achieve in the short-term given the strangle-hold the Right has on debate and policy - then I'd take it).

They are instruments of growth, employment, prosperity and equity. That's not a bad slogan for us progressives.

[As for structural deficits – even the ESRI notes: when the economy grows, the structural deficit falls of its own accord which suggests that it is intertwined with the cyclical deficit.]

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