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September 10, 2012

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Colum McCaffery

The argument here is that the disgusting differentials within -between - public sector incomes has to be tolerated in order to maintain demand. There is also the defeatist belief that if pay in the public sector is examined, the only outcome would be a right wing victory for cuts across the board. Implied is the belief that there are too few rich public servants for a pay ceiling to make any effective saving but that very much depends on the definition of rich.

Michael Taft

Colum - we have this discussion before but I don't think it is quite accurate to say that this post is an argument for tolerating disgusting differentials. It merely looks at the impact of cutting public sector pay on certain key indicators. That's all. A programme for greater income and social equality is one that I am fully supportive of - as you are aware.

By the way, and not by way of defending any 'disgusting' differentials but you might interested in this paper and Graphs 3-6: http://www.tara.tcd.ie/bitstream/2262/41131/4/new%20o%27callaghan%20foley%20final%20amendment.pdf
If the distribution of income in the economy reflected the distribution in the public sector, it would be a more egalitarian society and the recession would not have been as deep.

Colum McCaffery

Michael, I know of course that you support greater equality. The difficulty I seem to have lately is that while almost all socialists and other progressives support reducing inequality of income, they usually hold something to be more important and so the stucture remains largely intact.

Your argument is for leaving the CP Agreement untouched because a reduction in the p.s. paybill would reduce demand. I'm not making little of the desirability of demand in the economy. My point is that income and pension ceilings in the public service - while certainly reducing demand - would have egalitarian effects. In a hierarchy of desirabilty I would place this modest egalitarian reform higher than maintaining demand. You would reverse that order.

I apologise if I divert your blog thread away from economics but here is the "ceiling argument" developed for a Labour Party audience: http://colummccaffery.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/prioritising-public-spending-and-reducing-income-inequality-in-the-public-sector-a-motion-which-failed-to-make-the-agenda-for-the-labour-party-conference-2012/

Thanks for the very interesting ref.

de Charette

‘Over 60 percent of public sector workers earn less than €50,000 a year – and this doesn’t take into account the impact of the pension levy. There are less than 15 percent on higher incomes (above €70,000) and a minute 2 percent in six figures.

To cut into low and average workers’ wages, regardless of who their employer is, is to invite all manner of problems’

Michael, are you trying to present €50k as low to average pay?

Can I remind you that the average wage in the private sector is around €33k, while its circa €36k overall.

So your €50k threshold below which a majority of public servants earn is a full 50% higher than the private sector average!

Only a tiny minority of public servants could be characterized as being low-paid when compared to that private sector average.

Similar spin in todays Irish Times:

‘Targeting clerical staff, caretakers, special needs assistants or home helps for further cuts would do nothing to aid the economy’

It seems the relatively small number of such ah-shucks jobs in the public sector are serving a dual role. Each SNA is not only struggling heroically to ensure a challenged child gets an education, they are also providing a convenient fig-leaf for several teachers on €70k.

Michael Taft

de Charette - thanks for that. Yes, €50,000 should be considered average pay - though at the higher end of average. According to the CSO's latest Earnings data, average annualised pay is €51k in the financial sector; €50K in the Information & Communication; €42K in the industrial sector. Of course, in many sector average pay is much lower. What we need to do is average up, not average down.

I will be doing some comparative work on these stats soon, so we can revisit this issue.

de Charette

With respect Michael, that public sector salaries are comparable to the other well-paid sectors you mention doesn’t make them average.

Rather it makes them well-paid, just like financial and ICT sectors.

Otherwise, you could make the argument that €50k is in fact very low-paid when compared to the Hollywood acting and Premier League football-playing sectors.

Eamonn moran

Hi Michael. I read most of your posts and find them very informative. However I had to wince at the following response you gave to de charette. "thanks for that. Yes, €50,000 should be considered average pay - though at the higher end of average."
50% above average is not average. The arguments of the left are weakened when they use the same statistical tricks as the right in order to make a point. Credibility is also lost.

Eamonn moran

Also by simlpy changing emphasis you could say that about 75% of the public sector earn more than the average industrial wage of €35,000. One more question do the public sector figures being used above include all the allowances?

Michael Taft

Eammon - standard measurement of 'average' (there are many) is that employed by the OECD and IMF. It puts the range between 0.66 and 1.66 of the average income. The average national weekly income (annualised from the latest CSO earnings)€35,800, leaving a range of 23,600 and 59,400. Average industrial earnings €41,800 leaving a range of 27,600 and €69,400.

One can use other benchmarks (median wage, full-time equivalent, etc.). But I think it is unfair to call reliance on a standard range used by international data agencies as 'statistical tricks'.

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